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Strange memory
Natalia KUROLENKO, «Vedomosti»
transplanting brain cells You can give a person a second life, says Kiev scientist.
While we're thinking about the prices, wages and other everyday small things, some seriously concerned problem of personal immortality. Why? Science have already reached such levels as is possible in almost all would have been money - something like that now often can be heard from scientists, including Ukrainian. So why eternal life is impossible - certainly not for everyone?
MOMENT "H»
problem as you understand the need to radically solve - where there gerontology, with all due respect to them! Today we know almost 300 anti-aging theories. And yet, in the degree or another, work - just something immortal with us is not visible. Well, ten or twenty years gerontologists to add to our way of life. And then? Sooner or later the time comes "H", as it happened in his time with the famous tokamaks, on which day by day waiting for the solution of all energy problems, but the amounts are required, each next step becomes simply overwhelming. "If a billionaire wants to again and again to renew their life, it would be possible - says my current companion. - Only the costs will grow even exponentially, but at an exponential rate. "
And if you go to the other side? Okay, let people die, since I can not be otherwise. But if his memory is to transplant the baby, or in general, the embryo, the late its owner will like a second life! Oddly enough, this question is fulfilled by scientists very seriously.
In the middle of last century American James Mc Connell interested in planarians - these are flat worms that live on the shores of lakes and rivers. It turns out they are quite teachable - Thanks to the ganglia (clusters of specific nerve cells) can briefly learn simple defensive reflexes. Mc Connell was able to "explain" more particularly talented individuals of that from the bright light as soon as possible to crawl away, or get an electric shock. When they have learned he cut them in half. After a month of each half-grown new planaria, which reacts to light is several times faster. And, from both halves - Tail remembered the same thing with the head ganglion, and pass the knowledge of a new head!
Then there were the experiments in the Moscow Institute of Biophysics, Academy of Sciences of the then USSR in Pushchino. A group of young scientists, led by Inna Sheiman acted like: pieces of "trained" worms tucked into the fabric of "untrained". And found out: even such tiny particles not only successfully take root, but also transfer their knowledge to new owners. "And if you go ahead and try not worms, but in rats, or even dogs? - Asks my companion today Emir ASHSHURSKY. - We tried. Started with a mouse. Then he switched to rats, hamsters and finished one dog "...
In general, you understand: the desire to learn more.
Turned to neurosurgeons. Eugene Yarmolyuk from the Kiev National Medical University named. Bogomoletz us, even the algorithm of this operation was.
- What to transplant? Part of the brain?
- Yes, some cells. But then I thought: it's immune system will reject them. Of course, for this is the appropriate drugs, but that, in principle, no matter how you understand. In animal experiments similar can be done, and what will be the man all his life to suppress immunity to any flu could be fatal? So on that project, we put a cross.
decided to appeal to embryology. I found a young candidate of medical sciences Vladimir Petrenko - Gold hands of those artists that shod flea. Began to teach adult mice through the maze run. Then Volodya took a trained mouse cells from the brain stem (not to be confused with stem cells!) and tucked the embryo - it was important to do it on stage while he still has not turned a fetus, when all organs are formed. Here, namely, all subtlety is to know which cells in which week of embryo development to take and where to transplant - this is our know-how. I confess: Mice were killed a lot - ever put their monument.
- I mean, you know exactly where in the brain is a memory - that I have about the person, not about mice?
- And here I have some thoughts, which many scientists consider heretical - the same physiology, for example. I am: a person - yes that of any creature - not a memory. Not in the sense that psychologists say: audio, olfactory, tactile, I do not know. And the real, which, as they say, and memory in Africa. I firmly believe: the memory is duplicated. And when we perceive information, it settles in several different places.
- Why are you so sure of that?
- Yes, because the evolution of the nature performed quite well as the evolution of technology. Was such a Charles Lyell, English geologist. He is pictured as follows: something alive, growing - and then wham, nature did not like everything is destroyed and begins a new way. If so - the memory of us pawned it would one place (HM: NB! ), how we do it in a robot or computer. But this theory is now completely refuted. The path of evolution was strewn with thorns and the thorns and his new "designer" moves she made over the old ones. Because man is, so to speak, on the powerful shoulders of the same simple etc., etc., some relics of their memory at each stage were deposited in us.
Specifically: where is the memory? First - in the brainstem, the so-called thalamus. Back in paleokortekse (so-called old crust) - it was still in the first primitive mammals. And the third level - the cerebral hemispheres. Counted, At least three - if you destroy the top, will work the lower layer. But not all so simple: because even in the upper layer shape memory - the right hemisphere, logic - the left.
amoebae TRAINING
- We know that sometimes the sound or smell can cause the memory is that you did not think that you remember.
- But this, in my opinion, further proof that do not work the upper hemisphere, and some more ancient layers. But it's not all. In addition to these three layers of material is quite I clearly and categorically say: there is another, some "nonreal" mental memory. At the Institute of Zoology, Igor V. Dougal experimented with conditioned reflexes unicellular. It turns out that even amoebas remember something, they can teach. Ciliates shoes - even better remembered. But how, because they not only nerve cells, even receptors not only the nucleus and cytoplasm of a cluster? Obviously, this "tonkoveschestvennaya" memory is the very oldest relict.
But that's not all. Curse of our experiment - each two mammalian thalamus, two hemispheres, even in mice. And it was necessary to determine that dominates: suddenly we take the memory of such thalamus, which is not dominant? Then the young mouse does not feel old, ie, identification her personality is not.
- And by the way: you know exactly where some memory is located. Why such confidence, because of many physiologists can hear that our brains - in general, solid mystery?
- This is my personal view - and experiments, of which I tell you, it proves. If transplanted person, in memory of her personality must include emotions. When the rats reared in isolated conditions and never had affairs with a man crawls under your hand on his shoulder where he finds and begins to lick you on the cheek? This means that it has woken up the previous person home rat. She was transplanted namely the one ekzistentnuyu, as I call it the memory - if another rat is just going to learn fast. Applied to man would say from the outside: "Here a child prodigy growing! "But this element of deja vu at the prodigy will not be - and that means there will be no immortality! The problem is that in mice to understand what memory you are transplanted, virtually impossible - whether she was pleased, or just smarter? In rats was easier, especially dogs - they must learn dear person, wagging his tail.
- And if a man transplanted several of these "personalities"? Will split and rastroenie?
- Brain - an extremely plastic structure, the degree of adaptability it has no equal. Suppose a child grows, absorbs the information - as usual. Only personal planted in memory of him - let's say, the dog (after all, everything is possible!).
a while, he will experience some discomfort, will emerge memories from the former dog's life, layered on the latter-day human faces, toys, computers. But it is not long - then everything will depend on the environment, where he increases. Perhaps if in a box or a pack - a dog will prevail. And no - "Animals" memories like heal, no splitting will not ...
Strange memory
Natalia KUROLENKO, «Vedomosti»
transplanting brain cells You can give a person a second life, says Kiev scientist.
While we're thinking about the prices, wages and other everyday small things, some seriously concerned problem of personal immortality. Why? Science have already reached such levels as is possible in almost all would have been money - something like that now often can be heard from scientists, including Ukrainian. So why eternal life is impossible - certainly not for everyone?
MOMENT "H»
problem as you understand the need to radically solve - where there gerontology, with all due respect to them! Today we know almost 300 anti-aging theories. And yet, in the degree or another, work - just something immortal with us is not visible. Well, ten or twenty years gerontologists to add to our way of life. And then? Sooner or later the time comes "H", as it happened in his time with the famous tokamaks, on which day by day waiting for the solution of all energy problems, but the amounts are required, each next step becomes simply overwhelming. "If a billionaire wants to again and again to renew their life, it would be possible - says my current companion. - Only the costs will grow even exponentially, but at an exponential rate. "
And if you go to the other side? Okay, let people die, since I can not be otherwise. But if his memory is to transplant the baby, or in general, the embryo, the late its owner will like a second life! Oddly enough, this question is fulfilled by scientists very seriously.
In the middle of last century American James Mc Connell interested in planarians - these are flat worms that live on the shores of lakes and rivers. It turns out they are quite teachable - Thanks to the ganglia (clusters of specific nerve cells) can briefly learn simple defensive reflexes. Mc Connell was able to "explain" more particularly talented individuals of that from the bright light as soon as possible to crawl away, or get an electric shock. When they have learned he cut them in half. After a month of each half-grown new planaria, which reacts to light is several times faster. And, from both halves - Tail remembered the same thing with the head ganglion, and pass the knowledge of a new head!
Then there were the experiments in the Moscow Institute of Biophysics, Academy of Sciences of the then USSR in Pushchino. A group of young scientists, led by Inna Sheiman acted like: pieces of "trained" worms tucked into the fabric of "untrained". And found out: even such tiny particles not only successfully take root, but also transfer their knowledge to new owners. "And if you go ahead and try not worms, but in rats, or even dogs? - Asks my companion today Emir ASHSHURSKY. - We tried. Started with a mouse. Then he switched to rats, hamsters and finished one dog "... In general, you understand: the desire to learn more.
Turned to neurosurgeons. Eugene Yarmolyuk from the Kiev National Medical University named. Bogomoletz us, even the algorithm of this operation was.
- What to transplant? Part of the brain?
- Yes, some cells. But then I thought: it's immune system will reject them. Of course, for this is the appropriate drugs, but that, in principle, no matter how you understand. In animal experiments similar can be done, and what will be the man all his life to suppress immunity to any flu could be fatal? So on that project, we put a cross.
decided to appeal to embryology. I found a young candidate of medical sciences Vladimir Petrenko - Gold hands of those artists that shod flea. Began to teach adult mice through the maze run. Then Volodya took a trained mouse cells from the brain stem (not to be confused with stem cells!) and tucked the embryo - it was important to do it on stage while he still has not turned a fetus, when all organs are formed. Here, namely, all subtlety is to know which cells in which week of embryo development to take and where to transplant - this is our know-how. I confess: Mice were killed a lot - ever put their monument.
- I mean, you know exactly where in the brain is a memory - that I have about the person, not about mice?
- And here I have some thoughts, which many scientists consider heretical - the same physiology, for example. I am: a person - yes that of any creature - not a memory. Not in the sense that psychologists say: audio, olfactory, tactile, I do not know. And the real, which, as they say, and memory in Africa. I firmly believe: the memory is duplicated. And when we perceive information, it settles in several different places.
- Why are you so sure of that?
- Yes, because the evolution of the nature performed quite well as the evolution of technology. Was such a Charles Lyell, English geologist. He is pictured as follows: something alive, growing - and then wham, nature did not like everything is destroyed and begins a new way. If so - the memory of us pawned it would one place (HM: NB! ), how we do it in a robot or computer. But this theory is now completely refuted. The path of evolution was strewn with thorns and the thorns and his new "designer" moves she made over the old ones. Because man is, so to speak, on the powerful shoulders of the same simple etc., etc., some relics of their memory at each stage were deposited in us.
Specifically: where is the memory? First - in the brainstem, the so-called thalamus. Back in paleokortekse (so-called old crust) - it was still in the first primitive mammals. And the third level - the cerebral hemispheres. Counted, At least three - if you destroy the top, will work the lower layer. But not all so simple: because even in the upper layer shape memory - the right hemisphere, logic - the left.
amoebae TRAINING
- We know that sometimes the sound or smell can cause the memory is that you did not think that you remember.
- But this, in my opinion, further proof that do not work the upper hemisphere, and some more ancient layers. But it's not all. In addition to these three layers of material is quite I clearly and categorically say: there is another, some "nonreal" mental memory. At the Institute of Zoology, Igor V. Dougal experimented with conditioned reflexes unicellular. It turns out that even amoebas remember something, they can teach. Ciliates shoes - even better remembered. But how, because they not only nerve cells, even receptors not only the nucleus and cytoplasm of a cluster? Obviously, this "tonkoveschestvennaya" memory is the very oldest relict.
But that's not all. Curse of our experiment - each two mammalian thalamus, two hemispheres, even in mice. And it was necessary to determine that dominates: suddenly we take the memory of such thalamus, which is not dominant? Then the young mouse does not feel old, ie, identification her personality is not.
- And by the way: you know exactly where some memory is located. Why such confidence, because of many physiologists can hear that our brains - in general, solid mystery?
- This is my personal view - and experiments, of which I tell you, it proves. If transplanted person, in memory of her personality must include emotions. When the rats reared in isolated conditions and never had affairs with a man crawls under your hand on his shoulder where he finds and begins to lick you on the cheek? This means that it has woken up the previous person home rat. She was transplanted namely the one ekzistentnuyu, as I call it the memory - if another rat is just going to learn fast. Applied to man would say from the outside: "Here a child prodigy growing! "But this element of deja vu at the prodigy will not be - and that means there will be no immortality! The problem is that in mice to understand what memory you are transplanted, virtually impossible - whether she was pleased, or just smarter? In rats was easier, especially dogs - they must learn dear person, wagging his tail.
- And if a man transplanted several of these "personalities"? Will split and rastroenie?
- Brain - an extremely plastic structure, the degree of adaptability it has no equal. Suppose a child grows, absorbs the information - as usual. Only personal planted in memory of him - let's say, the dog (after all, everything is possible!).
a while, he will experience some discomfort, will emerge memories from the former dog's life, layered on the latter-day human faces, toys, computers. But it is not long - then everything will depend on the environment, where he increases. Perhaps if in a box or a pack - a dog will prevail. And no - "Animals" memories like heal, no splitting will not ...
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